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  • #36898
    Anonymous

      if anyones interested, i’ve put some of my lesson sheets in

      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x3o55qal1tpa33h/AACSavkH2wCJ5855J9MZnDiha?dl=0

      #36899
      jake
      Participant

        Thanks sxpoet. GREAT info there. Really helps breaking it down and starting out simple. Walk before we run. 😀🎷

        #36900
        Anonymous

          @Jeff – i’m just trying to document the various stages that my teacher is teaching me the blues – aimed at a beginner like me.

          He’s not teaching from a book, but laying a foundation from his own training and having taught hundreds of students before me, he’s got a fair idea of what works and what doesn’t work well with students in terms of progressing.
          Like other academic courses, you cant jump into later stages without having done earlier stages.

          Notice we started with major scales for improvising to get what it feels like working in those scales, then we add the basic blues scale and get the different feel for working in them. We haven’t even started the pentatonic scales (weeks away) or any other scales for that matter.

          Each lesson starts with putting on the backing track and lets hear what you’ve been doing, with feed back – more expression needed, or a teacher demo – notice how it would sound if you had played this note etc.. These pointers are hard to document, you won’t find them in written material, its passed down from master to student, i suppose another reason lots of people try and get lessons with various top players, instead of one teacher.

          The other problem is overload, in terms of teaching, you can’t throw everything at someone, you have to let various stages sink in, getting the student to play back shows the teacher at what stage they have got to and the teacher can decide whether to move on or not. in my case snails pace.

          I’ve now got to the where you are telling a story stage, just using notes in the major scales and using notes in the basic blues scale.

          i’ve got 4 more music sheets i haven’t put up yet, they’re a bit like the last few pages of the killer blues course. they’re a bunch of “one bar G major blues riffs starting on G, C & D” and then a bunch of “two bar G blues scale riffs starting on C and G”.
          This is just to give me an idea what it would sound like if i applied these to the backing track bars – with the view of coming up with my own riffs that i have to write down – improvising proper

          #36901
          Anonymous

            One thing i forgot to add is he keeps stressing over and over, is to practice playing the G basic blues scale “G Bb C C# D F” up and down the sax as FAST as possible smoothly – emphasis on MAXIMUM speed. (don’t ask me why)

            Then to repeat starting at different notes of the scale – so start on C etc…

            #36926
            jake
            Participant

              I would imagine the speed part of the exercise is going to benefit you in a couple ways. 1 you will be working on finger speed and accuracy and 2 is muscle memory. Playing them that fast without error means you just play without having to think of the notes.

              It took me a while to learn the solo from on the dark side by John cafferty. I couldn’t keep up with the reading the music. So learned it in pieces by memory reading small parts of the song. Now I just play through the song. My fingers press the keys and I don’t even think of what note I am playing. I would imagine the same type of principle would apply in your instructors speed exercises too.

              #36937
              Anonymous

                @Jake – i don’t know why Jake, but i keep mixing you up with Jeff! Could have some valid points there Jeff!
                I had another lesson today in place of my daughters clarinet lesson as she was unwell and off school.
                The scary thing was he would play 3 or 4 notes on his sax, and i would play them back without thinking.

                I got him to demonstrate some of his riffs on the 3 different chords in each of the bars. Blew me brains out.

                Another interesting point which he raised was the importance of spending 10 mins just jamming to the backing track
                and totally ignore every rule and just play what comes out of your head. And what he said was do not under any
                circumstances be critical of what you are playing when you do this exercise ie if it sounds bad, don’t under any
                circumstances be judgemental and think of it as bad because if you do that, you’ll start mentally putting in rules and
                eventually narrowing down your range of creativity, and stopping your brain from going different places.
                The idea is to carry on regardless, and eventually what will happen is your mind will then have free reign of your
                playing – and thats when the good stuff starts coming out.

                He was going to take me onto another level and give me more stuff to do, but i had to hold him back as i’m still
                struggling with the stuff i’ve already got.
                at the moment

                #36945
                William Cingolani
                Participant

                  Good stuff sxpoet. I suppose I can and will use those sam exercises on my tenor. I put the link to a drop box and stored them in a folder. Where did you get the exercises. I have Johnny’s Killer Blues Course

                  #36947
                  Anonymous

                    Hi William, i’ve got both Johnny’s Killer blues course and his major scale improvisation course – both of his courses are excellent courses,
                    and i’m making full use of them. They are great if you don’t have a
                    teacher, or if you have a teacher, to complement them with. Either
                    way its a win win situation.

                    Its only recently that i got the opportunity to learn to play the blues
                    from my teacher – he’s quite proficient at improvising in the blues and
                    jazz. He doesn’t tend to give out sheets and isn’t teaching from any
                    specific books, he writes down a few ideas and asked me to put them in
                    dropbox – for him to check if he’s got time. I think he might be saving
                    some of the sheets for other students.

                    So i’ve tried to document everything from day one from his notes and from memory in terms of what he asked me to start practicing, including any
                    comments etc. Just thought it may be of interest to anyone else in the
                    forums that are doing the blues.

                    Due to my snail pace at learning, it won’t be at great speed, and there’s
                    lots more areas to cover later on, he’s trying his best not to overload
                    me as that could just put me off the whole complexity of it. like he says
                    you spend the rest of your life learning the blues.

                    Hope you find them useful, unfortunately they’re all for the Alto sax.
                    The sheets are in order of learning – i put a index in drop box with
                    additional comments,

                    #36949
                    William Cingolani
                    Participant

                      THANKS sxpoet. I have both courses too and today I’m organizing the killer blues course and the improve course

                      #36957
                      William Cingolani
                      Participant

                        Thanks again sxpoet. I’m digging up Johnny’s Killer Blues and Improve course and I’ll be working with those courses for a few days or weeks.

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