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  • #37252
    Anonymous

      cool chart – just took a copy
      cheers

      #38147
      Anonymous

        I’ve been reading about Coltrane’s patterns for notes, and looking at the Music ruler I discovered some interesting relationships.

        If one selects a note and jumps a number of places right or left the relationship to the note is the same both ways.
        Jump 1 = the notes are a 5th away (on the circle of fifths)
        Jump 2 = the notes are a Tone away (useful for Bb transposing)
        Jump 3 = the notes are a Minor 3rd away (useful for Eb transposing)
        Jump 4 = the notes are a Major 3rd away
        Jump 5 = the notes are a Semi-Tone away
        Jump 6 = the notes are a Tri-Tone (6 notes = 1/2 octave) away

        For a pentatonic chord = just take five adjacent notes.
        I wonder how many other relationships can be derived from this linear version of the circle of fifths?

        #38154
        Anonymous

          I’ve just noticed something else.

          on the ruler the Major key goes 4 – 1 – 5 – 2 – 6 – 3 – 7
          on the ruler the Minor key goes 6 – 3 – 7 – 4 – 1 – 5 – 2

          So 4-5-1 (IV-V-I) is left, right, center and 2-5-1 (II-V-I) is 2x right, right, center.

          Therefore if we memorise this line of fifths, we can work out these two chord progressions for every key!!!

          Fb – Cb – Gb – Db – Ab – Eb – Bb – F – C – G – D – A – E – B – F# – C# – G# – D# – A# – E# – B# – F## – C## – G##

          Isn’t that cool?

          #38164
          Anonymous

            Just in case you don’t know what I’m referring to with these numbers in the line of fifths here is an example.

            Fb – Cb – Gb – Db – Ab – Eb – Bb – F – C – G – D – A – E – B – F# – C# – G# – D# – A# – E# – B# – F## – C## – G##

            C Major then is 4 – 1 – 5 – 2 – 6 – 3 – 7 which is => F – C – G – D – A – E – B and in order => C D E F G A B.

            C Minor then is 6 – 3 – 7 – 4 – 1 – 5 – 2 which is => Ab – Eb – Bb – F – C – G – D and in order => C D Eb F G Ab Bb.

            This works because 6 is the relative Minor of 1, and 1 is the relative Major of 6.

            #38170
            Anonymous

              The point I’m making is that in the line of fifth’s.
              …. Bb – F – C – G – D ….

              If you want to go up a 5th you look one to the right of the note. (Bb -> F)
              If you want to go down a 5th you look one to the left of the note. (C <- G)

              But also

              If you want to go up a 4th you look one to the left of your note. (F <- C)
              If you want to go down a 4th you look one to the right of the note. (G -> D)

              Looking left is a 5th DOWN or a 4th UP
              Looking right is a 5th UP or a 4th DOWN

              So by memorising the line of fifths one knows the 4th’s and 5th’s for all notes.

              #40684
              Anonymous

                Hi Jeff,
                Thankyou for posting me some of your Rulers!
                That was very kind of you to do so!

                It’s great for reference (ie cycle of 4th’s and 5th’s as well as the various arpeggios) – i know seasoned musicians will know all this stuff off by heart, but the rest of us will find it useful reference.

                For going left of C i use “Five BEADs in a Golden Circle”
                For going right of C i use “Gud Day Australia Everybody loves Fish and Chips”

                But i’ve been practicing the II-V-I sequence that i can actually visualise the circle of 4ths & 5ths in my mind when playing.

                cheers
                sxpoet

                #40686
                Anonymous

                  Hi sxpoet, isn’t it cool that the 4-1-5-2 sequence is common for both Major and Minor scales.

                  As you say if one can memorise the sequence then improvisation will be much easier.

                  #40687
                  William Cingolani
                  Participant

                    Nice chart. I’ve seen it numerous times. However it’s too cognitive for me. As they say in the trades if I have to take the time to think about it I’d be in the rocks.

                    #40688
                    William Cingolani
                    Participant

                      I think I’ll copy the chart, and print it, and put it on my music stand next to the circle of 5ths. Thanks Jeff.

                      #40706
                      Anonymous

                        Hi William

                        Rather download this version where I have tried to explain it better.

                        http://www.tangram.co.za/musruler.pdf

                        You will see that the pattern repeats from left to right, flats to sharps.

                        We are actually looking at all the scales sequentially placed over each other.
                        If you have any questions please let me know and I’ll do my best to explain.

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