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  • #103794
    john
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      ya that’s what everyone should practice and know inside out; all scales, chords, arppegios.
      eveyone will tell any music student that. it’s what I worked on daily for years. I don’t think a lot of people do it tho.
      it’s amazing how much theory you learn after that. it’s practically all one needs to know about music.

      #103799
      RockinRobin
      Participant

        I’m doing this in all 12 keys and this the order i play. Daily practice.

        1 3 2 4 3 5 4 6 5 7 6 8 7 9 8
        e.g F A G Bb A C Bb D C Eb E D F Eb G F or C E D F E G F A G B A C B D C
        William

        #103801
        saxomonica
        Participant
          #103825
          Anonymous

            That’s a good exercise William in all 12 Keys.

            I bought 84 backing tracks, for each of the 7 different Modes there are backing tracks for each of the 12 scales (ie 7 x 12 = 84 tracks).

            So each day i pick 2 new scales (ex F & Gb) then i practice going up and down the sax (from low Bb up to altissimo D, depending on where each mode starts and ends) for each of the 7 different mode backing tracks.

            Practicing each of the 7 modes in one scale with representative backing tracks for each of the 7 modes is quite interesting, as each of the 7 mode backing tracks sound different. ex if you play up and down mode 1 in C major you can feel with the track the natural resting place is on note 1 (ie C), where as if you play up and down mode 2 in c major you can feel the natural resting place is no longer note 1, but note 2 instead (ie D) with the backing track. Although Both tracks are in the C major scale yet you feel as if you want to end properly on a different note and not always end on the C note.

            Playing the modes without a mode backing track, you don’t experience how intense the modes are, and how bad the sound is if you pick the wrong mode for a track, it just doesn’t sound right.

            the chords for each of the 7 modes in Scale C
            c,e,g,b – 1,3,5,7
            d,f,a,c – 1,3b,5,7b
            e,f,g,a – 1,3b,5b,7
            f,g,a,b – 1,3,5,7#
            g,a,b,c – 1,3,5,7
            a,b,c,d – 1,3,5b,7b
            b,c,d,e – 1,3b,5b,7b

            the 1st mode and the 5th mode share the same pattern (1,3,5,7) , so you can see why the 1st and the 5th chords have a close sounding relationship and the pattern of the 4th mode is 1,3,5,7# so you can see why the 4th chord sounds well with the 1st and 5th chords which makes the I-IV-V progression sound so nice and natural.

            #103835
            Anonymous

              correction (you can see why i am a novice)

              the chords for each of the 7 modes in Scale C

              c,e,g,b – 1,3,5,7
              d,f,a,c – 1,3b,5,7b
              e,g,b,d -1,3b,5,7b
              f,a,c,e – 1,3,5,7
              g,b,d,f – 1,3,5,7b
              a,c,e,g – 1,3b,5,7b
              b,d,f,a – 1,3b,5b,7b

              playing the 1st 4 notes of each mode in Scale C

              c,d,e,f – 1,3,5,7
              d,e,f,g – 1,3,5b,7
              e,f,g,a – 1,3b,5b,7
              f,g,a,b – 1,3,5,7#
              g,a,b,c – 1,3,5,7
              a,b,c,d – 1,3,5b,7
              b,c,d,e – 1,3b,5b,7

              the 1st mode and the 4th mode share the same pattern (1,3,5,7) , so you can see why the 1st and the 4th chords have a close sounding relationship and the pattern of the 5th mode is 1,3,5,7b so you can see why the 5th chord sounds well with the 1st and 4th chords and creates a bit of tension, which makes the I-IV-V progression sound so nice and natural.

              #103840
              Anonymous

                correction, correction, correction (i’m definitely a novice)

                the chords for each of the 7 modes in Scale C

                c,e,g,b – 1,3,5,7
                d,f,a,c – 1,3b,5,7b
                e,g,b,d -1,3b,5,7b
                f,a,c,e – 1,3,5,7
                g,b,d,f – 1,3,5,7b
                a,c,e,g – 1,3b,5,7b
                b,d,f,a – 1,3b,5b,7b

                playing the 1st 4 notes of each mode in Scale C

                c,d,e,f – 1,2,3,4
                d,e,f,g – 1,2,3b,4
                e,f,g,a – 1,2b,3b,4
                f,g,a,b – 1,2,3,4#
                g,a,b,c – 1,2,3,4
                a,b,c,d – 1,2,3b,4
                b,c,d,e – 1,2b,3b,4

                the 1st mode and the 4th mode share the same pattern (1,3,5,7) , so you can see why the 1st and the 4th chords have a close sounding relationship and the pattern of the 5th mode is 1,3,5,7b so you can see why the 5th chord sounds well with the 1st and 4th chords and creates a bit of tension, which makes the I-IV-V progression sound so nice and natural.

                #103874
                RockinRobin
                Participant

                  So I looked in my Sax Classics music book. “Night Train”. Slow Swing in Bb. Lots of 1 5 4 and 1 4.Sheet music is about the same as Johnny’s. Trying to not drive the house members crazy blowing the High D. “Night Train” is a good one to learn.
                  William

                  #103887
                  Anonymous

                    I’ve got loads of stuff learn about the blues, which i’ll start working through, when i’ve finished memorising 72 chords (arpeggios), just got 24 more chords to go. The more you practice these chords over and over, the less time you spend trying to remember what notes make up the chords from the theory.

                    “What’d i say” is also a nice tune to work, in Johnny’s list of music.

                    #103908
                    Anonymous

                      1 4 1 1 (A7 D7 A7 A7)
                      4 4 1 1 (D7 D7 A7 A7)
                      5 4 1 1 (E7 D7 A7 A7)

                      here’s a variation of the blues, using a 2-5-1 progression

                      1 4 1 1 (A7 D7 A7 A7)
                      4 4 1 1 (D7 D7 A7 A7)
                      2 5 1 1 (Bm7 E7 A7 A7)

                      Also when playing the notes in a chord,

                      instead of playing each Chord as 1 3 5 7b notes and starting on the 1 note (ex playing a C Chord, play notes C E G Bb)

                      try playing each Chord starting on the 3 note instead of the 1 note as 3 5 6 5 notes
                      ex playing a C Chord, play notes E G A G sounds nice where the 3 5 6 are played as 1/8th notes (counting 1and2 and34)

                      #103931
                      RockinRobin
                      Participant

                        Thanks JB. So I was practicing “Night Train”. Slow Swing in my sax Classics song book. making the High D sound like a train whistle. The music is 4 pages so I need to turn the page. So I need to to print all 4 pages so i don’t have to turn the pages. Printer crashed, broke. So I ordered a new HP printer from hp.com. So I can’t print Johnny’s new release, “Donna” by Richie Valens until my new printer arrives. In the meantime a new food processor was ordered, Medina Spirit won the Kentucky Derby, My wife picked the winner. I’m blowing “Night Train” in Bb. Lots of 1 5 4.

                        William

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